gerri: democrats, harry reid to when dick durbin kamal saying, you can use the 14th amendment here to say, you know, i'm just going to give myself the power here to raise the debt ceiling. that to my have to tell you, not a constitutional scholar : that is an imperial president. >> i'll agree with to a thousand percent to win the reason, i see nothing in the language that the debt much indicates that the president would have a unilateral right to raise the debt ceiling, and frankly i'm a little puzzled his top law professors are split, and that don't know where they're coming from who say they think it is liable. gerri: so was the last time anybody use this? >> it was a case in 1935 called perry in the u.s. supreme court. charles evans hughes indicated that congress could not invalidate a bond and therefore it can then implied theoretically that the executive could of the this ceiling. that's a stretch. i don't agree with that. gerri: if the president were to -o this to win the gop just to reno, hand this lawsuit to the white house, the illustration? >> i will give him credit. he does